"Milky" (jordanmielke)
10/13/2014 at 11:41 • Filed to: Battle of the Sexes, Sexist
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"Milky" (jordanmielke)
10/13/2014 at 11:41 • Filed to: Battle of the Sexes, Sexist | 0
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Is it really inequality when we are talking about haggling the MSRP of a new car? Paying $100 more for car repair is clearly sexist. But I'm not convinced paying more for a new car is, when there is a list price for how much it should cost.
Oh and paying more for loans and health insurance is all sorts of wrong.
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*Yes I expect for this to be seen as controversial.
Rainbow
> Milky
10/13/2014 at 11:45 |
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I don't think it's really going to be controversial. We can all agree that this is utter bullshit. Anyone who thinks it's somehow right probably doesn't have authorship and never will.
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Milky
> Rainbow
10/13/2014 at 11:56 |
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Yea true. I can't think of a way to say/ask if men are better at haggling without sounding like a caveman. Its just weird (i guess not really) that men pay less on something that is supposed to have a set price.
yamahog
> Milky
10/13/2014 at 12:54 |
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Yea, that was weird to me, too. The confusion arises because both Marie Claire and Buzzfeed misused the term "list price," which, like you said, is the MSRP and set by the manufacturer so it will be the same for the same car regardless of buyer. The study itself refers to quoted prices during the bargaining process, which were found to favor white male customers. From the linked article in Marie Claire:
But even if you're prepared to bargain, the odds are still stacked against you. Twenty years ago, Ayres published a landmark study proving that women got hosed at car dealerships. (The study has since been twice updated, with similar results.) On average, women were offered list prices $200 higher than prices quoted to white men. (Black women fared even worse — they were quoted prices $400 higher.) Ayres argued that women who pay inflated prices are so lucrative to dealerships, and account for such a huge chunk of commissions, that dealers are willing to let savvier customers go just to court these customers. Let's say you're the rare female buyer who actually does her homework. You walk onto the car lot confident and informed, asking all the right questions. The salesman will probably still offer you a lousy deal. "That's the perversity of it: He may be willing to sacrifice your sale in order to charge higher prices to all women, just to make sure he doesn't miss any home runs," explains Ayres. "It's a search for suckers."
Emphasis mine.
Now here is the opening sentence of the study's summary:
More than 300 paired audits at new-car dealerships reveal that dealers quoted significantly lower prices to white males than to black or female test buyers using identical, scripted bargaining strategies.
Emphasis mine, and here is the link to the full study, which is an interesting read: http://islandia.law.yale.edu/ayres/Ayres%20…
BigBlock440
> Milky
10/13/2014 at 13:07 |
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Are they quoted for the same repairs though? Knowing how abusive women friends and family members are to their vehicles, is it possible that the repairs are actually more expensive?
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Milky
> BigBlock440
10/13/2014 at 13:34 |
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That is a good question and I don't know. I assumed it was for the same repairs, but we're talking about buzz feed so the information is little.
NaturallyAspirated
> Milky
10/13/2014 at 13:35 |
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Yeah, sadly I can believe that. I was talking to my mom a few weeks back and she was livid about her experience at one of those quick-lube oil change places. They tried to sell her a differential flush (she showed me the printout they gave her, it was a differential flush, a totally separate line item from the crap transmission flush those places always push), on her front-wheel drive car. My mom, being a former Air Force F-15 tech, told the guy where to stick his differential flush.
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Milky
> yamahog
10/13/2014 at 13:40 |
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Yea I thought the wording was weird. But that is shitty that they'll lose the sale to one lady to make sure they don't risk other sales.
… stealerships ….
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Milky
> NaturallyAspirated
10/13/2014 at 13:42 |
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At least she knows better! My mom always calls me when something like that happens. Which I guess is good because she is clueless and they definitely would rip her off.
Eazy-O
> Milky
10/13/2014 at 14:07 |
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I dunno.
The way I see it, both parties are, mechanic and customer in this case, trying to get the best value for their services and money, respectively.
The basis for this negotiation is knowledge of the trade, wares and prices.
It's the same for most of the economy, isn't it?
This comparison compares men and women. It could compare age groups, education levels, income brackets, place of living... And in every case, somebody would come off worse as they invariably have less knowledge of the trade.
Does that make mechanics anti highly educated, wealthy, octogenarian women from Monaco? I'm just guessing those groups get ripped off the most.
This just in: Mechanics are schollinophobic, plutophobic, gerontophobic, sexist, nazis.
Snooder87
> Milky
10/13/2014 at 14:14 |
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You know, you read these articles and you get the impression that the author thinks that women are getting shafted and in a just world we'd all be getting the lower rate.
But really, if the dealerships weren't sexist, we'd all be getting screwed with $300 blinker fluid flushes and $500 "complimentary" cargo mats.
So please keep quiet and don't endanger my nice discount, man. /snark
Also, isn't the average new car price like 32,000? Is $200 even statistically significant at that price?